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The Phoenix Path to Leadership with Jessica Benstock
In this episode of Cosmic Coin Drop, Lauren welcomes Jessica Benstock, a leadership and power dynamics mentor for integrity-driven leaders and a teacher of somatic trauma resolution. Join them for a fascinating conversation about the intersection of astrology, leadership, and personal transformation.
In this episode...
✨ How Jessica's Gemini Sun, Virgo Moon, and Aries Rising create her unique leadership style and communication gifts
🔥 The astrological blueprint behind Jessica's "Phoenix Path" training program and why she's naturally designed to create legacy programs
🌙 How understanding your moon phase at birth can reveal your natural energy flows and manifestation abilities
⚡ The connection between trauma work and astrology as tools for seeing people's authentic experiences
💫 Jessica's journey with her Saturn Return and how it transformed her relationship with business
🪄 How Jessica's mercurial energy allows her to "translate" subtle psychic experiences for others
💰 The evolution of Jessica's money attachment style and lessons learned while scaling her business
This episode is perfect for coaches, healers, and purpose-driven entrepreneurs who want to understand how their astrological design influences their leadership style and business approach. You'll gain insights into how understanding your cosmic blueprint can help you build a more aligned and sustainable business model.
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Today we are being joined by Jessica Benstock, who is a leadership and power dynamics mentor for integrity driven leaders and a teacher of somatic trauma resolution. She's also a former tax client and a friend, and I'm so happy to have you here today, Jessica.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:I'm so excited to receive from your gifts. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Yeah, so I'm sure that doing your taxes, we probably geeked out on some level about astrology, but I don't think I ever looked at your chart because I didn't know that you were a fellow Virgo moon, but I'm curious what is your experience with relating to your chart and looking through the lens of astrology.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Well, so it's going to be interesting about this is that I was originally taught astrology from a sidereal lens. And so I know a ton about my sidereal chart, but I don't know a lot about my, I know some like very topically about my tropical chart. But what I do know even more than that is the aspects and aspects are kind of the frame. And so I think the more I learned about the aspects, the more I was like, Oh, this makes so much sense. And I felt like I could see myself so much more in my chart. And then I also felt like I started to gain this intuitive ability to sense, like I can tell if people have certain aspects, it's not all of them. And a lot of them are similar to mine. But that kind of randomly became an awareness or like a language around the planetary forces and how they communicate through humans. And so it's really fun. And then also when I'm teaching trauma resolution, you can notice them, you know, you're like, Oh, it's not just your nervous system. It's also this whole series of forces that's working through this person.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:So yeah, that totally makes sense that what resonates with you the most is kind of the relational level aspect of it that is aspects yeah, because yeah, I know a big part of your work is that when it comes to those deeper layers of what's going on when conflict or discomfort arises with clients is, and by the way, disclaimer, I haven't actually deep dived as a recipient of Jess's work, but I love your social media presence. And one of the things that you talk about that I've heard you talk about a lot is that we have a tendency to project on and see other people's experiences through our own experience, but that there's so much value in understanding that people have different triggers and, you know, that people's trauma is different and there's just so much overlay there with astrology, which is same same, acknowledging that like people are different, they're motivated differently. And if we're not getting to know people on their own terms, we're missing so much of the picture and the point and ultimately our ability to serve and support them, right?
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Totally. That's such a really good way to say it. And I think without frameworks like this, it's almost impossible to see people in the way that is more just native to them. The more I deep dive into astrology, it's like, I mean, Tarot and astrology go same same, like they're the same language, but it's the universal language. It is the way that it coincides with math, the way that it coincides with like, just the language of, I guess, energy
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:and archetypes.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Yeah and archetypes exactly, like it just makes everything make so much more sense. To me it feels like a universal language that we're kind of missing. And then when you learn to it and then have a direct, and it sounds like you really have this as well, like direct experience with it, where you're in like almost again, relational, connection to your own system or your own psyche, things start making sense. Even if you don't believe in astrology and you track astrology with world events, you can't look at world events and astrology and like what would happen with different alignments in the sky and go, Oh yeah, there's, there's nothing to this just because it's just the pattern and the language of how everything works. So whether it's the microcosm of the human to the macro of the outer world, yeah, that's how I relate to it. And I think it's really potent also to be able to feel or understand how different forces work, like to be able to catch them when they're live. So transits have also been a really big deal for me. And I first discovered transits, I was dating someone who was really into transit work. And he created, he coded a whole astrological app to track transits. And the first transit I remember ever catching without looking at something was my Mars transits because I had a big phase in my life where my anger was really repressed and you'll see that it's very much in my chart. So my willpower was also repressed and like the fire, there's this like fire, my Mars was opposed by Saturn and so there was this fire that couldn't express in me, but then I would have these windows of time where all of the sudden all this fire would light up in my system and I would have all this energy and I started realizing that that was a certain flavor that I could like feel. And I started looking at this transit app and it was when my Mars transits were happening.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:That's so cool. Yeah.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:yeah.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:I love that too. When you're like, okay, something like I can feel it and you go and look and you're like, oh, there it is. To your point about Mars being like a pretty loud and obvious one sometimes. That's the terrible twos. That's why like we have our Mars return at two years old. So anyone that's a parent, you know, exactly what that is. All of a sudden your kids start saying no and playing with their will. And they're like, you know, my son is actually about to be two at the airing of this in like a month. So we're totally in that right now. And it's a lot of saying no, not even like out of anger. Sometimes that's there too. He screams a lot more now than he used to, but like just as a game, he's just like playing with it. Like, what, what can I say no to, you know, like, what is this thing where I have control over my boundaries and stuff? You know, I love that you pointed to, you know, like our relationship with them. My background astrology is evolutionary astrology and could not be further from pop astrology, like the idea that we can take these archetypes that are ultimately the territory of all that ever was, is, and could be put into 12 boxes. And then we take that box or bucket and then to think that we could say in any static way, what that means about you or what that is or where you're at in your life. It is such an evolving relationship. We have evolving relationships with these archetypes. And so it's really cool to know those kind of storylines that are those story, those arcs that are playing out in our experience. Because then, like you said, when we can look at the transits, we can start to piece together those stories happening through time, not necessarily today, tomorrow and the next day strung together, but this time of the year and then when you know, we circle back about a year later, like another chapter gets added to the story. And there's these different arcs weaving through time that we can piece together. But yeah, even with the snapshot of the moment of the configuration of your birth, obviously you're not the same person from your first to last breath. There's so much evolution that happens with how you know and embody and express each of these parts of you. So I want to start with looking at the big three for you your sun, moon, and rising which are probably the ones that you're most familiar with, but of course, with your background in sidereal Vedic astrology, you knew them a little differently. And there's different ways to look at the value of, I mean there's no wrong system as far as I'm concerned. There's ways to understand how Vedic astrology is looking at a certain like angle of your life. One kind of reductive way is that Vedic is more karmic events, sort of like the unfolding of the big things in your life. And then of course your relationship to those, whereas Western is more inner psychological subjective experience. So obviously there's overlap there too, but I think the biggest unfortunate thing that almost seems to discredit it or make it seem like one's right and one's wrong is just that we use the same names for the zodiac, but we're kind of talking about two different things, we're mapping it differently.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Yeah totally, but I think one of the things with that, that made me understand it more,'cause I've heard a similar thing that like sidereal can be more like deep unconscious stuff and then tropical can be like your psyche, your relationship to yourself, you're like, what's here, what you're interacting with.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Like your consciousness. Yeah. Yeah. I like that.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:But the aspects stay the same,
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Right.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:So we're the same configuration between the planets, it's just a different, like you said, window, which is so cool, and then I'm a Gemini in both, so I think it's a bit easier for me on a like ego identity level to be like, yeah, either way. Where certain people are like, Oh my God, my sun sign changed. And that feels some kind of way for them.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Well, not only because it's the same in both, but just being a Gemini, you're like a shapeshifter anyway. You're like, whatever, today, tomorrow, you know? So we'll start there. I mean, you could not be a more exaggerated Gemini as well. Because Gemini is kind of that third archetype, that mercurial archetype as well. So, you've got Sun Mercury conjunction, which a conjunction is like they're holding hands. Yours are the same exact degree though. So like your Sun and your Mercury are basically fused together as one part of you in Gemini, that same archetype, in the third house, the house of that archetype. So, you've just got all of those components as one part of you. And, you know, to this thing that we're talking about that let's ditch pop astrology. I mean, sure, we could start with the kind of overarching theme of communication, right? And something that I super respect, value and admire about you and what you share is the way that you communicate. You do a lot of face to camera stuff and your stories and your ability to articulate both and this gets into the meta that you're communicating well and what you're communicating about kind of the same arena. Cause that's what the houses are. What is the kind of motivation, the style we're talking about good communication and then where is it landing? It's landing in the house of those same kind of vibes, cause when we're talking about communication to go a little layer deeper, we're talking about the perception first, the inside job and then the speech, and then there's the listening and the, you know, alchemy of the conversation. There's all these different layers. And so you are talking in very articulate and mesmerizing ways about the phenomenon of all of these different perspectives and the blind spots that we plug for each other essentially and fill for each other. So there's that kind of opening of what we're talking about with communication and then getting into a more mystical magical side of it, which I feel like is absolutely apparent in your grounded way that you show up in your work. So part of Jess and mine's background is we go pretty far back into the days of medicine exploration and like festival hopping and basically making the world like our own, you know, magical hero's quest before grounding into more responsible work and support around those things. And so I can't wait to hear where this has taken you or what your experience is of it. But just to set the stage for a deeper understanding of that mercurial Gemini archetype is that it goes back to the mythological roots of Hermes who can travel between worlds. And the reason that he is granted that access pass is because of his ability to translate what he sees and experiences beyond the veil when he comes back for people. And that piece, the ability to articulate and translate that which some people have never even experienced, or if they did, they didn't even know how to wrap themselves around it enough to understand what happened. And then we have these magical, mercurial people like you that can give voice to and create story and interpretation around helping us to better understand these things that we can't see, but that we can all relate with each other around having experienced in some way or another.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Oh, thank you so much for reflecting that. I feel like I'm learning... You know when you have a gift that's just natural, like you were born with it, like you didn't have to work for it, it's almost hard to see'cause it's so native and innate and I feel like what you just described, I'm really letting in in a way that feels really nourishing to hear, and I do resonate with all of that. You know what's so strange is it feels like, I don't think I would've been able to articulate this if I hadn't done so much work with subtle energy, but it actually does feel like taking something from a psychic field and, and as I'm speaking, a very active thing, it's kind of like translating for me as well because I'm a really verbal processor. And I've had to learn to like, you know, especially like my partner or like close friends, I'd be like, can I talk so that I can understand what I'm feeling, because if I'm not in that kind of communication, it's hard for me internally to even translate what's going on. So it feels very, I don't know, like weaving or like pulling psychic threads out alchemically and communicating them. And I find that happens all the time when I'm teaching, because when you're teaching people, yes, it is somatic trauma resolution, but it's really like you're doing alchemical work on someone's psyche and subconscious so that their soul can be more present and their pain and their wounds and their emotions can not take up the space where the soul and the intuition can be. And so I find myself in all these situations where I'm having to explain something about a shift in someone's subconscious that's so subtle or how to do something energetically to allow the space to open up inside of someone's really vulnerable spaces, that it does. It feels like I'm translating something that's happening on some other level or plane than the mind. And then I also feel like quite a bit with collective fields, anytime there's polarized stuff socially online, it's almost like I can feel the psychic fields of things. And I've learned over time to really trust naming something, even if I don't really understand, like I don't have an answer for It. Mm I'm just like, this is weird. Are you feeling that? Cause I'm feeling that. And I get that reflection so often of, Oh thanks for saying that I have been feeling that. But I've just been feeling it as underlying anxiety or confusion or whatever. The feedback of it back and forth also feels like a really important part to your point about like, well, what's important in communication. For me, as the channeler of it,
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Mm hmm.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:it's just as important to get the feedback from other people to continue that communication, so it does feel more like being a bridge. And if it's just me by myself, it doesn't work as well, often.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Right.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Or I'll end up like writing poetry or, you know, something more like personal.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Yeah. Yeah. So, breaking down Gemini to its basic parts, the building blocks of it, obviously we're looking at the air element, and we're looking at its expression through mutable movement, which is dynamic, give and receive, kind of spiral momentum type movement of the air element. So you just said it really well, you know, if there's a reason, it's the twins, like there has to be this feedback loop of this idea, inspiring this idea, inspiring this idea and kind of passing it back and forth to create this emergence that's greater than the sum of those two ideas or those two idea sets.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:That's amazing. I don't know why that makes me like slightly, that just like brought like a little bit of tears to my eyes. There's something like so beautiful about how you just explained that as a force. Because it is, I mean, anytime, anytime I have been censoring myself or blocking, anytime my throat's blocked, essentially because of fear or anxiety or some emotional thing I'm going through and I isolate, which has been my go to in the past when I'm under stress, just cause that was my coping skills as a kid. It really does block something and it's taken my Saturn Return, which I know we'll talk about later, to realize like, Oh, when I'm in this particular kind of pain, I actually need this back and forth exchange to be able to come out of it, but what you're talking about is such an alchemical, like you said, dynamic process.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Yeah, and so it's your Sun that we're talking about. So I like to use the language of doing your Sun. So, you know, when I do an astrology session, I'm not like telling you anything you don't already know about yourself. There's no like left field ahas. I'm just kind of similarly, I have a lot of mercurial energy in me as well. You know, I'm just like giving voice to these things that you already know about yourself. But it's helpful to understand like what the part of you is that's activated when you are aligned in that way. So I like to use the language again of like doing your Sun. So when you're doing your Sun, when you are in your example, like not self isolating and allowing yourself to enter that flow of exchange of ideas with somebody in conversation, you are basically activating, you know, similar to the Sun in the sky, it's poetic in its reflection as above, so below of our understanding of these parts of ourselves. The Sun is the gravitational center. So doing your Sun is what helps you to feel centered. And it's also your energy source, right? Just like the sun in the sky. So when you are not doing your Sun, when you're isolating and not in that Gemini flow, you probably don't feel a lot of energy. It like cuts off that energy source, you know, and then you feel scattered. It feels like maybe you're not connected to that solar center ground that makes all your other storylines make sense. And then they're just like all of these separate things kind of happening. And, you know, talking about those building blocks. So moving into your Moon, when you do your Moon, alternatively, that's that more feminine component that just like the moon creating cycles of our energy experience, doing your moon is what helps you to feel nurtured and held and supported to be able to stay the course and play that long game through the cycles and and the ups and downs. So for you, your Moon is also a mutable sign. So again, that same feedback loop is necessary. But in this case, like me, you're a Virgo moon, which is of the earth element. So, basically, I mean, a couple of things come to mind with knowing what I do about you. One is that Virgo is all about the processes. And the ways that we're able to refine the processes that we use through practice and iteration and those little baby tweaks that we do, like the editor of those processes. And there's another piece that I'm going to get to that really supports this as well, but one thing that I've noticed about your body of work is that you've been running your same signature container for how long now?
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Just on the program that I'm running, the main program?
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:The Phoenix Path, yeah.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:I've been running it for almost five years.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Yeah.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Yeah.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:And how long would you say you've been like, all in to your business?
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Probably seven years. Yeah. But it took me a while. I mean, this is a different part of my chart, but once I finally landed on doing Phoenix Path, it was my practitioner training. Mm, And so it wasn't anyone else's training. It wasn't anyone. And I obviously I like use a lot of my other trainings within it, but there was something about all of the processes, like you're saying, that I've learned that I've seen really work to create transformation in people. I was like, Wait what if I just created like the best thing that I could to help transform someone? And it is literally like a bunch of structured systems all put together.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Yeah. Yeah.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:So cool. And that's, that's most consistent thing that I've done since I've created that. Yeah.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:And then, yeah, like you have other courses that I'm aware of and stuff, but they're all kind of splintered from that. They're all like in support of that way that you train and support people. And the other thing that occurs to me with your Virgo moon is, you know, when we're talking about the realm of trauma work, the embodied somatic experience is your focus. And with Virgo, it's very much the rooted in the body experience of health and healing. I just love that you've created this body of work that is very much done in that Virgo way. And so also, which we'll get to next, you know, you're an Aries rising. Which means that each of the signs for you is in the house that's like that same kind of complementary archetype, right? So similar to that your Gemini is your third house, your Virgo is your sixth house. So we're looking at that style of refining and iterating and perfecting your craft, which is made up of this training mentorship around these various processes. And then we're talking about grounding that into the sixth house of embodied health and healing. It's so beautiful.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:That's so cool. I had no idea that that's where it was in the chart.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Yeah,
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:So crazy. And also it makes so much sense. It's just so crazy when you're like getting readings like this and you're like, oh, I'm just doing my chart.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:You can't make it up. That's why it's like, you know, I always start with saying I'm not going to blow your mind. This is just you. We're just going to look at how perfect, you know, where you're at right now and the way you're embodying and expressing what you felt called toward, it's just so perfectly reflected in your chart. Okay, so we went air with your Sun, we went earth and grounded with your Moon, and now you're rising brings in your fire and the leadership piece. The way that you talk about your mastery of these things that you have been exploring and that you teach, there's so much that communication piece, that refined articulation. There's that, you know, grounded piece I remember one thing I saw you talk about once that just stood out to me so much was, I forget what like big, crazy thing in the world had just happened. But you made it a point to say, to like, speak to it, but be like, look, I'm not just gonna emotionally vomit my immediate, impulsive reaction right now to you guys. Just so you know, I'm right there riding the waves with you, but I'm going to take some time to really feel into and integrate what this is bringing up for me before I share it. And that really struck me as that grounded piece. I mean, maybe it was the Virgo moon in me, like namaste, feeling the Virgo moon in you, you know, but I was like, okay, cool. Um, but then, even so you talk about things in such a heady way, and in such a grounded way, you have this fire, and this, you know, I mean, one way to think about it with Aries, so, again, building blocks, we're looking at the fire element and the outward expression of it. And so, you know, almost paradoxically on the one hand, it's the archetype of the fool, you know, to just rush out and just with absolute confidence and conviction, like I know exactly where I'm taking my next step. I know exactly what my next move is. And that's the one missing piece from your big three that we didn't speak to yet until getting to your rising sign is that leadership piece of I don't know how I don't really know with what. I don't know with who, but I absolutely know that this is my direction. And so there's this masculine quality of rootedness and certainty with the actions that you take and the moves that you make, at least from, from the outside. Yeah.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:There's some inner wobbles that definitely happen what I find so interesting is that fire has always been there, but I've had so much experience with like the feeling of the force of Mars, which I think is ruled by Aries, right? Mm right Being suppressed and then it's been this journey of like, every time I actually do find it and every time I can feel it, there is definitely the Virgo nature of, okay, this is also an emotional reaction. So we gotta be aware there, but the ability to connect with that has been so pivotal at so many junctures of my life. And it took a long time for me to recognize it in myself. And I don't know if that's something that has to do with rising signs at all, but it was something that other people would see in me a lot, you know, and I would always find myself friends with fiery people, but I would always see myself as not the fiery one. I would be like more the watery one and I can be quite sensitive and soft, but I have this fire and intensity too. It just took a long time for me to be like, Oh yeah, that's in me. That's why I like this thing, you know, but other people, I've had so many friends that have been like, what are you talking about? It's like silly. It's a silly thing to say that you don't have fire. It was almost like a maturing into that has been my experience of it, but initiating like, I wanna go there, I wanna do that, that's been there the whole time.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Yeah,
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Yeah.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:yeah, totally. Well, and yeah, I mean, that's something that I really respect about your work. And that was an example of where you're like, Hey, I'm going to like, go through this process in myself before I actually talk about it with other people. That you don't teach or train people in anything that you haven't intimately experienced yourself. This other piece that I want to bring in that compliments what some of the stuff that we were talking about with your Virgo moon is, I like to look at what I call your money mode. And so we're looking at the money axis in your chart and the movement of energy that is part of your design for that. And what's interesting is that most entrepreneurs, at least the ones that are attracted to me, you know, the ones that I look up, are not the one that you are. And I like to think about them with the metaphor of the different relationship types of polyamorists, serial monogamists, and lifers. And kind of helps to better understand it. But of course, we're talking about your relationship with money, with earning and investing and what your style is with that. And so most entrepreneurs are either the serial monogamist or the polyamorist when it comes to money. So what those two have in common is this tendency to get bored easily.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Mmm.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:And so, and you know, one of the ways,
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:That makes so much sense.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:And you, you don't have that, and so I think it's really beautiful and telling, obviously as we talked about with Virgo, there's this very deep soul nourishment that happens for you to just really devote yourself to something and really focus on iterating and refining it. But that's also your money mode. And typically what I find in the rare few, the less common, you know, entrepreneurs that have this money mode is that similar to you, it's this one signature program. And once you find it, you're like, this is the container to evolve my body of work. There's not that same feeling of boredom that sometimes shows up as like shiny object syndrome. But it's often an affirming thing where I'm like, actually, I mean, it might show up that way sometimes, but you're actually just designed to tune into when you feel bored somewhere and let it take you. But yeah, for you, you're a lifer. You're and you know, that's not to say. I'm going to say that it won't ever shift and evolve, but when it comes to how you make your money, the container in which you make your money and that you invest your time, money and energy into to grow and evolve, it's very much about going the distance. It's going the 10, 000 hours and letting that be that container that holds and supports you without feeling like you need to shoot off in other directions.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:It's so cool to hear that. And this is part of my chart. This is something on my chart.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Yeah. So this is the opening archetypes into your second and eighth house. So your second house is opened by Taurus. Your eighth house is opened by Scorpio and those are fixed signs. So you have the fixed money mode that I call the lifer archetype.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:I've found really recently that, it's interesting to hear you say this because right now I'm in the middle of creating another program. But the way that I'm looking at that program is a complimentary to the Phoenix Path, so the Phoenix Path, being like this deep in depth, becoming the magi or the, the transformer, the alchemist. And then the other program that I'm doing, I'm creating right now is like a very outward facing program. So like leadership and skills and, the power dynamic aspects of things, that are, they're just a different skillset, but in creating them, my mind is in the standpoint of like, cool, I'm going to create this. And then I'm just going to refine it and refine it and refine it. And like, until it is its own legacy program. And I don't want a bunch of programs and so to hear you say that it makes so much sense to me, because, you know, from my standpoint, I'm like, well, that just feels like what's going to be the most solid, but in my mind, I'm like, isn't that what is the most solid, is not for everyone,
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Don't you probably notice a lot of entrepreneurs seem a lot more like kind of all over the place?
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Yeah, absolutely. And it wasn't until I had the awareness, a friend of mine told me, she's like, Oh no, you're not, you're creating like a legacy program. And I was like, what's legacy program? And she was like, you're just creating a program that's going to be like lasting for a really long time.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:You're a lifer, you're absolutely committed, yeah,
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:That's how feels. And it feels like, I feel really comfortable in that because after you build the architecture for it, you can just keep refining and looking at and getting all of the feedback but it does take longer. There are definitely times, absolutely, where I've been like, do I really want to do this forever, you know, and then my entry point or the next moment of that isn't, well, I'm just going to throw this away and burn to the ground. I mean, of course I have those thoughts, but I know myself well enough to be like, that's not what we need.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:yeah,
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:I just need to refine it to match whatever the new insight I'm having is, right, which I think is different than what a lot of people, especially in the coaching space, are like, I just got this new idea, so I'm gonna do a whole new program
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:mhm,
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:which is great if that works for them, that just does not, doesn't work for me. And
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:yeah.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:I've tried to do something like that, it ends up feeling
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Like you're cheating on your program. Yeah,
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Yeah, kind of! It really is like when you have the gold standard of something versus like a little flittering like membership, you know, and I'm interested in this thing that like, you know, you brew it over time and it becomes more potent and it works on me as well as what I've noticed. I get much more masterful when I work in that way. I think I would be incredibly scattered, like you said, if I was doing the lower mode mercury, you know, I always imagine the golden snitch just going crazy when I think about the lower mode of mercury,
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Hehehehehehe
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:that would probably be me, that would be my mind. That would be my nervous system. Like, I don't think that it would work. It doesn't feel like I can rest into it, you know?
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Mm It's so cool to hear you talk about it because so I am a polyamorist money mode. That would be the death of me to have to stick to one thing forever when it comes to my business. And my north node is in Taurus in the seventh house. So I don't really get that anyway, you know, but it's also like, so such medicine for me. So yeah, it's really cool to hear you talk about how that works for you and why that feels so grounded and nourishing, but also to hear you talk about the expansive side of it, within that, how you feel so much room for growth and refinement and now this complimentary offshoot of this other program out of a need based on the work you are already doing, you know? Yeah.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:I can be a scattered person in my psyche, and simultaneously if I want to turn it on, I can be very structured. It's an interesting thing to witness, I'm sure from like my partner, but there's very much the feeling of when there's a structure that I've already built, I can then have freedom because I have it to rest on kind of a thing. And I think the skill of it really is to continue to tune into myself so that if there is newness, I can allow it to grow and make sure that I'm not being too rigid because then I'll feel stifled and then resent the thing that I've created, which is never fun. But it's really cool to hear your perspective of it too, because I can see where having the ability to explore and experience yourself in multiple different creations also makes sense as an evolutionary path as well, you know?
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Yeah, it's interesting because I know a lot of people that are actually polyamorous in relationship. That has never really suited me. But the bridge is there, like, you know, it's this phenomenon where the exploration in 1 area informs your exploration in another area. So there's this kind of like bouncing around for me between different projects and ideas where I get an idea over here and it's like the missing piece that I needed for this and, you know, kind of building on each other like that.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Yeah, sometimes you need like a sprinkle of that. I think there is, when we talk about this, I can see the lower mode of like, where, and even right now in my business, there's places where I'm like, I think maybe I've gotten like a little too rigid around this or how can I feel more expansive there? But that's also such a like body-based experience for me, which is an interesting thing to think about, like the business inside of my body, but I'm also a somatic teacher so, of course I would say that. You know?
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:So to kind of bring it to the other side that I like to bring in in any astrology session because people just don't know this about themselves. It's not part of any app that I've ever known of to pull your chart, which is the moon phase that you were born under.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Oh, okay. I don't know don't that.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:No, nobody does, which is wild because if you think about it, like from moment to moment from day to day in the present moment, without looking anything up in an ephemeris or, you know, a chart software, the one thing that is obvious and loud, both energetically and visibly is the phase that the moon is in. And you know, even people that like, don't pay attention to this stuff know the difference between the feeling of a new moon and a full moon, you know, in the, in the air, in the collective, it's a very different, you know, polar, very polar experience. And so, you know, the moment that you took your first breath, you were imprinted with the energy that you were born into. And so that was such a biggie, right? It's like where you were at. So, knowing this about yourself is really helpful, both from the quality side of it, what that energetic signature is, that's part of, like you were saying with your Sun, kind of just like a natural lens that you have that you're like, doesn't everybody see stuff this way? It's just, you know, built into you. But also it's really cool to know what your time of the month is, as far as this goes, because that's the time of the cycle that is your home base, that you likely feel the most resourced and grounded. So, all that lead up to your moon phase is a waxing crescent. So right after the new moon, I positioned this as kind of swinging to the other side because with your money mode, we're talking about, you know, that lifer level of commitment of really wanting to build a legacy, a body of work that stands the test of time, that gets more and more fortified as you go along. Your moon phase that you were born under is kind of more like that Aries energy, kind of more on the other side of the least material. It's right after exiting out of that dark moon reset, that is completely formless. And being freshly into that outpouring of manifestation out into the world, still very much connected to that felt experience of the subtle energies and the possibilities and the formless that you just came from, but starting to, move into that initial budding of manifestation where there's so much optimism and anything's possible. And, you know, just trying to translate, I guess is another word in this case too like translate what you were just immersed in into, how can I actually bring that into this world? And it still is not met by the limits of this world yet, or the contradictions or any of the things that are going to be challenges or obstacles yet, it's still that pure possibility of how can I turn those ideas into something that I can actually present and share with people?
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Oh my goodness, there's so many things I could say about that. But I feel that so deeply in the way that I navigate, especially in my business, but also in my social media presence, and it's so cool because I've totally blamed this on Uranus being conjunct my north node, but it's so cool to hear it from this angle because there is, it feels to me often like more I get comfortable with my voice, the more I get comfortable with resting into myself and saying all the uncomfortable things because I feel like the online space is just inherently like, Oh, well, let's just pour more attention and more attention and don't say this and don't say that. So breaking out of that, to me has been a whole process, but not just for myself. It feels like on the edge of that, that there's something in our more collective evolution that's maturing, and I'm really interested in what that is. And I've recognized that that's Not the most common or usual perspective to have because I think so many people are caught up just in the modern, like, what are the common memes going around or group thinks or culture? What's the common culture, right? Um, and right now it's so reactionary, but I feel it more as this reactionary thing is creating something that is evolving human consciousness and our generation and the generations behind us, as in the younger generations, that I feel like we'll mature into something that I'm really interested in. And I don't even really know what it is, but I feel so connected to that. Cause it feels like it's more awake, it's more mature, it's more aware, it's more clear. It's more agile, you know? And that to me always feels like it's some kind of bleeding edge that I'm always looking for. Looking towards, because I'm like, I want to be a part of that. But I also wanna be a bridge to it as well. And when I say that, like I don't even know what that fully is yet. I can just feel it somewhere. So that's my experience of, what you just said and it, what you just said put into words. I'm like, oh my God, that's, that is a force in me that I feel, but I've never even articulated it.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:So loud. Yeah, that's so cool to hear how that shows up for you, because obviously with the phase of the moon, we're talking about the combination of the sun and the moon that makes that phase and, so much of what you just talked about, of what your experience of that emergent possibility is around curiosity. You know, your Gemini Sun is just like so curious what's coming. And then your Virgo moon is like this knowing that something is slowly, slowly like shifting and changing that Virgo baby step path that can you know, move mountains through its endurance.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:I'm so suprised. I've never heard someone talk about the phase of the moon you were born under. I mean, the only time I've heard of it is if someone's born on a full moon or on a new moon. But
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Exactly.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:all of us who weren't, we're just like, oh whatever.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Right.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Yeah.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:What's interesting too is I found that when it comes to entrepreneurs, or again, at least the ones that I end up looking at their chart, most entrepreneurs were born during a waxing moon, not a waning moon.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Interesting.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Yeah, so, you know, that. Doesn't it? Right. That, that like quality of wanting to birth and manifest and like turn their ideas into something tangible.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:That's so cool. It's such a subtle thing too, because I wouldn't think, like I think about the moon as being obviously more of an influence, but this subtlety of how the moon expresses, this is what I love about astrology, it's a whole fractal, you could just keep going deeper and deeper. But the subtlety of how the moon expresses, it feels to me like a flow of energy that we're just completely unconsciously, like following, basically.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Yeah. And as a business astrologer, again, it's like, I mostly relate with waxing moon people. It kind of begs the question, and I'm sure I'll start to get some ideas after posing it, like, who are these waning people? What are they doing?
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:right? I was just wondering that too. I wonder if they come from generational wealth or like something that's, I wonder what the energetic of that would be.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Yeah, the common ground. I know. It's interesting. So let's see a couple more things I want to touch on before we close here, one is that you took my money attachment style quiz.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:I did, I'm nervous to talk about this.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Firstly, I imagine that you are very familiar with the attachment styles when it comes to intimate relationships.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Too familiar sometimes.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:I figured, with your, you know, trauma work and everything. So you got the anxious attachment style. Which, I don't necessarily love the words that we use for those anyway, anxious and avoidant, especially when it comes to money, both of them have their own kind of superpowers and then their handicaps and then their respective pathway to security, you know, and financial security. Before we even get into it, would you say that in, and sorry to get so personal, next to your nervousness, but, in intimate relating, do you lean anxious attached as well?
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:You know, at the beginning of my life, I did, and then I did a lot of work and went through some other hard things, and I will now flip. So I would say it's a, it was a native thing based on my childhood, and then I've done lot of work on it where there's a lot of security, but I notice depending on the other person, I will flip to the opposite. So if they're more anxious. I'll get more avoidant. And then if they're avoidant,
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:So Gemini! You're like, I'll meet you. I'll match you. Let's dance!
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Can't choose one! And that was a really, that was a big shock for me because I didn't understand it because when you're a native anxious attachment style, avoidant attachment style, people just seem like assholes,
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Yeah, for sure.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:What are you doing? And so I didn't understand the feeling of like suffocating or feeling the pullback or just the need to be alone to like feel myself.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Yeah.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:But I know the anxious attachment style very well. And I resonated a lot when it came to the money thing because of, I mean, I also was wondering if I was gonna be like a, what is it called? Disorganized.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Yeah. It's all over the place one, back and forth. Yeah.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Mm-hmm
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Yeah. So, for better or for worse, they're both just different ways. I do find that a lot of people, at least that come to me to be supported with my mentorship around money, are typically in the avoidant just to paint a kind of bigger picture. I think that it's, quite common for magically minded creative people, which is a lot of the people that I attract, to just be more like in the flow with money, you know,
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:That used to be me, big time.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Yeah, yeah. So, you know, more like, how do I feel in the moment in terms of charging? You know, really leaning in and paying attention when you need to, but not like as a nurturing rhythm. But then, yeah, on the flip side with anxious, it kind of makes sense that you used to be that way and then you kind of swing the other way because you're like, okay, I know this is important. I'm serious about my business and stewarding it properly. So then there's an overcorrection that can happen of okay, I'm gonna fixate on it, you know, so yeah, I'm curious because one thing that I found, too, whether it comes to our attachment style or whatever, like our money wounds are that we are healing, making more money doesn't really have anything to do with the path to getting to security or healing those wounds. And so often they just like take on a different form, the more money that you make. But yeah, I'm curious cause I know that you are successful financially in your business. What that, I don't know, anything that you want to share around, how your attachment style with money, which is currently anxious, how that's evolved as you've scaled your business and as you've made more money.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Oh my gosh, this is one of those communication things where I think about it a lot, but actually saying it out loud is probably going to help me a lot too. So I definitely grew up in the culture that we grew up in, where I was just like, woo, made a bunch of money, going to spend a bunch of money. And that was kind of the flow and it was very much attached to the idea of like manifestation, because that was the paradigms that I was in, you know, and I very much believe in manifestation. But I was very much in a subculture slash like questionably slash maybe not very legal slash not legal at times growing up in Northern California in the cannabis industry before it was legal and so there was this feeling of like, there's this abundance of this plant that I didn't even smoke. And I was just like, okay, well, I can use this as a way to not be in the mainstream. But what that did was actually made me become under the illusion that there was always a way to make money around me in that way, from something that I wasn't interested in at all. But you know, I wasn't taught to save. I was just like, Oh, the universe will provide. And I feel really good today. So I'm going to buy this whatever$300 hemp jacket or whatever I was doing, you know, because it makes me look like a priestess. And that would end me up in spots where I would then be like, Oh my God, you know, I barely have anything. I've got a scrounge or manifest or figure out where I'm going to go. And then when I started my business, I really cared about what I was doing, but that same pattern came along with me. And I really resisted structure. So I was definitely the avoidant type. Like I didn't want to look at what my bank account was. I didn't want to experience the anxiety basically of checking in. And I was more in the magical thinking of, well, I'll just create more. So it was almost like I had The thought that looking, this sounds so stupid now, but looking at my bank account inhibited my ability to like manifest more
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Interesting.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Yeah. And this was like, you know, early twenties. So I've matured a lot since then,
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Do you mean that you were like making it too real? Getting too grounded about it or something? That it would like take you away from that magical abundance mechanism?
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Yeah,
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Okay.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:I think so, because it's such a, I mean, money is such a Saturnian principle. So it shows you the finite. And I think that I was very disembodied in a lot of ways. And I was very resistant of the finite and I didn't want to feel held down by it, which of course created the shadow of being held down by it because I wasn't paying attention to it and I wasn't nurturing it. And it took me a long time to realize I wasn't valuing it. And I didn't really equate those things. And then as I've had a business, even as an entrepreneur, you know, depending on how you run your business, mine runs on launches that happen every, six months, sometimes I'll do one, you know, every four months depending on the program. And then I have courses that I could just sell that are pre recorded. And so, when I say it took a long time to mature, that's a really nice way of saying, like, I went from really high highs to really low lows. Because even as I scaled, that pattern scaled with me for a long time and it took a while, like there was two very specific moments where I had made more money than I'd ever made. My programs were more successful than they had ever been. And then I didn't feed other parts of my business. I was just looking at, okay, well, I've got everyone in my program. I can do what I love most, which is teaching and giving the service that I give and like holding people in their transformation, and so I wasn't actually feeding the lead generation aspect of my business. So I stopped making content. But then I was still under the total unconscious bias that well, because this launch went so well, the next one will too.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Yeah.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:And this is also in the middle of, we had COVID and then we had stimulus checks and everyone's like, I've got money to pay for things. And everyone's like, this is going to be like this forever. And then we had inflation. And so there's all of these waves. And I had two specific moments where I'd made a lot of money and then, I invested some, but I just, I was in that I'm abundant it's going to happen again mindset. Mm-hmm And then it didn't come as easily. And there were two specific times where it was like, I went into panic, like survival panic. And I was so, somewhere like disappointed in myself, you know, where I was like, why didn't I take care of myself the way that I should have taken care of my, like my past self wasn't actually thinking about my future self.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Right.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:And I really made it a point in those moments, maybe a little to the extreme to your point, to be like, this will not, I will not do this to myself again. And then I did one more time. And then, there were other things happening in my life at that point that I was like, okay, well I could spend a little bit more, you know, I just kept getting a little bit more lax and a little bit more lax. I caught it earlier on, so I didn't go into as hardcore of a survival response, but it it was enough to rattle my nervous system, you know? And so I think having those experiences made me more aware of tracking, but now I can feel the shadow of the tracking, which is like, well that doesn't feel very expansive. So right now I'm in the middle of trying to find that middle ground where I'm tracking and I want it to feel like feeding and like nurturing and nourishing something. And it doesn't quite feel like that yet. I'm starting to get glimpses, which is such a good feeling of like, it feels like taking care of not a child, but like, it feels like taking care of like a plant or like a garden. And I would never in the past have thought I would have that feeling with money. Like I just never equated them, you know? I was like, Oh I equate really high highs with this and really low lows with this, but I don't equate this like, almost like mothering, nurturing, stability, self care
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Yeah.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:with the way that I. Pay attention to my money. And so, like I said, it's only been glimpses of that feeling, but it's starting to happen and I'm starting to see more of the long term benefits of it. So that's kind of where I'm at right now, but there's definitely a hyper vigilance and it's great, I would rather be hyper vigilant right now of the amount of money I have now versus like not having that much and then being in survival response. So. Yeah, that's me.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Well, thank you for sharing where you're at right now and the journey you've been on with it, you know worth pointing to that like your money mode being a lifer. It's like Yeah, sure. It's your offers and like how you're making your money, but it's also like how you make your money and how you invest your money and like everything that you're talking about right now. Like it is in your design, absolutely, to have that like Taurus stable, future looking, like grounded relationship and the same, like that legacy program that you have already gotten really good at nurturing. The invitation is here and it sounds like you've already been moving into it and into that legacy wealth and like what it looks like to steward that, with the money that you're making.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Yeah, it feels, it feels that way. And you know what's so funny is I feel like a teenager in it, you know, like I can feel that I'm not as irresponsible as a little kid anymore, but I still feel like I've got to create the discipline around myself. Like it could be a little slippery, you know? It definitely is a journey, so this is good to know that it's in my chart to make it to the goal that I have for myself.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:It is. And the last affirmation that I want to reflect back to you is that you are so recently landed in your second Saturn cycle after your Saturn return. So, you know, talking about it as feeling like you're in some kind of adolescence. Like you're still such a baby adult. Like you are absolutely in the adult phase now, but you're at the very beginning of it, you know? And so, yeah, you're just entering into the next 30 year cycle of maturing into and feeling really rooted into your adult, you know, phase of your life. So, Mm yeah, no doubt that after the work that you've already done and that was before even getting to your second Saturn cycle. So you know, you're 33 at the time of this conversation. You're five months after that birthday. And I like to look at, the timing of Saturn return. So it's cool to know that you have been nurturing the Phoenix Path container for the last five years and that you really got serious about your business about seven years ago, your Saturn return is like six years. So you've pretty much been in your Saturn return, like the whole time that you've been in business up until now. And in that very potentially chaotic, but definitely super confronting and challenging, rite of passage, you know? And it's funny, cause people, you know, they'll ask me when is my Saturn return over? And I always like to say, when you stop asking,
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:That's That's so true!
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:you know, like a short way of saying, it's not going to go away. It's just going to become your life and you're going to be okay with it. Like, it's just going to be the new normal, you know?
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:That is the best way of articulating how I feel about it. It's just gonna become your life and you're gonna accept the way that it is. Wow.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:So you probably don't think about asking that anymore, but you probably also already knew. I think you said that you already knew that your Saturn return was over, but yeah, it's cool to know that you've had that, I don't want to say working against you, because Saturn is absolutely working for you and in support of, again, everything that you're meant to step into. There's just some clashy parts, you know, to get there.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:And they did play out through my business. My business was where I got probably the most exalted like gifts, but also it was through my business that Saturn used experiences or through my interpersonal dynamics within my business, that I had these like insanely confronting experiences that I did exactly what you said. Like, I basically got to the point with it where I was like, okay. I am not good at this thing, this one dynamic with like a certain, you know, kind of system or a certain kind of person. And so I'm just going to accept or, or a certain skillset, right? There was like a couple things, but it was a theme and I could see the theme and the theme was just unrelenting until I finally was like, okay, I'm just gonna, I can't resist this. I can't look away. I'm just going to get really good at it.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Mhm.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:And that's the only path. And it was horrible, but I almost, I'm so grateful for it because my life has changed so much now that I've gained the skills that I learned during that time, I can definitely feel like I'm not in it anymore, so
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Yeah.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:that's really nice. I had no idea that it lasts six years though.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Yeah, I mean, you could get more nuanced actually looking at someone's specific chart, but as a general rule of thumb, at 27, super technical, but you have what's called your progressed lunar return, and it's kind of like the emotional precursor to your Saturn return, where you start to become more aware of, your karma, it's like it stops feeling like isolated triggers and emotional experiences and you start to see the themes, and kind of put the pieces together. So that initiates you into that understanding of your karma and its relationship to your dharma. So it kind of like sets the stage. And then it peaks at more like 29 and a half, but we'll call it 30. And then if we follow that bell curve out the other side, it's 33. So that's when you've landed on the other side. There's also some interesting things with like the Christ narrative around the age of 33 and the metaphor of like being nailed to the cross. One way to think about that is like time and space and fully surrendering, you know?
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Yeah. I've definitely been in that. I feel like as women, we have like an even deeper when you're like early, not as much, like when I first turned 30, I was like, okay, it's starting, but being 33, knowing like, Oh, I'm going to be 34 next. There's this deep level of surrendering and understanding time and maturation and consequences of choices which seems like it preps. I heard someone say this recently, that your 30s are when you prep for the next I forget how they said it, but it was something around like pointing to in your 20s you're finding out who you are in your 30s You found out enough of who you are to actually prepare for the rest of your life, and I definitely feel that yeah
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:I can definitely relate to that. I'm around the corner from 40, so I'm about to be entering that part and granted becoming a mama and starting a family and letting go of my tax practice. I mean, there was so much death and rebirth that just happened prior to this shift. But yes, I definitely feel like I am finally on track and clear. You know, still plenty to learn, but at least I feel more of that lifer energy, more of that, like North node, Taurus, like, okay, this is the way, this is the direction. I might like steer the ship a few degrees either way, but like, this is the direction.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Totally. hmm.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Yeah. Well, thank you so much for sharing everything you did today, giving us the opportunity to look at your chart and better understand your flavor of magic that I've come to appreciate so much. And for our listeners that would like to connect with you and check out more of the work that you do in the world, where can they find you?
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:They can find me mostly just on Instagram, so@jessica.benstock, B E N S T O C K, and then you can also go to jessicabenstock.com/the-phoenix-path if you're interested in the thing that we've been talking about a lot, the program, the legacy program, the lifelong legacy program, as we've talked about it for somatic trauma resolution training for coaches.
lauren-poppins-raye_1_11-25-2024_141529:Perfect. Those links will be in the show notes and to everyone that tuned in today, thank you so much. And Jess, thanks so much for being here today.
jessica-benstock_1_11-25-2024_161529:Thank you so much.